>Session Start: Fri Mar 17 15:00:04 2000 >* Logging #cafe to '#cafe 3-17-00' > We're going to begin in a couple of minutes > hold on, Mark's in the bathroom > That's Mark's evil twin > Did anyone read the book? > poe? > haha > or should i say evil poe? > I've read parts of the book > Hey there . . . > have yet to find an actual print copy > but seriously -- introducing Mark Z. himself > can't stay long, am at work... > here he is! > The book is in its seconsd printing > i think the book is absolutely amzing. i haven't gone through >the exhibits and the appendices, but the actual text is amazing > Thank you Pshairyn > how have your signings been going? > it's remarkable on or off the Web > it's a very unique novel, and it's great that you took the time to >write it all down > If you fill out the contest sheet, you can win a book > really? > i'll have to check that out > Pretty amazing. A wonderful variety of people have been showing up. > Yes, there are 10 copies > great > how long do i have to fill it out? > has your sister been there? >*** Guest51328 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest51328, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > The book is hard going, but worth the read >*** Guest16467 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest16467, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** Guest36799 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest36799, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > My sister's currently in the final stages of mixing her album. We >did complete two weeks ago a cd of spoken word and bits of music. > the contest deadline is in about two weeks. I am going to post it >on Tuesday > is this going to be available online or in stores, Mark? >*** Guest36799 is now known as Dougful > The first spoken word CD was very good. > i think its terrible that the publisher hasn't been pushing it >very hard, and that its so hard to find a copy. i had to go to five >bookstores before i found a copy, and they didn't even have hardcover :( > We're figuring that out as we go. I'd like to put it online and >perhaps give them away at readings. >*** Guest51328 is now known as laughing >*** Guest79641 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest79641, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** Guest64873 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest64873, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** Guest92631 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest92631, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Where do you live, Psh? > speaking of readings, Mark, my girlfriend will be attending the one >in san francisco > she was wondering if she could have a small interview with you >afterward and videotape... if you have the time > in la, im hoping to go to both of them, but im not sure if i >can make it. i will be at at least one of them >*** Guest79641 is now known as Scianter >*** Guest64873 is now known as bob_davis > Cool Erik. What's her name? > There was a House of LeaVES SPOKEN WORD CD with a Poe track on it. >It was great. > Michele Santiago >*** laughing has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Has Michele gotten a copy of the book? > was that the one with the five and half minute hallway track and >the two readings from navidson and truant? >*** Dougful has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Erik, tell her to say hi. Psh, did you try Book Soup? I believe >they have the hardcover. > I don't know if Michele has gotten the book yet... > have you ever read Dos Passos' USA Triolgy? Do you see >similarities with the multimedia nature of HOL? > oh! i guess i will have to go back. i went to duttons, they >were the only ones of the five that had them. > Erik: yes. The first CD was called "The Five And A Half Minute >Hallway." The second's called EXPLORATION #4 > that's a question for Mark > is the book officially released today? > The book was released last week, right? > where is the cd available? >*** laughing has joined #cafe > Welcome, laughing, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > I was at Book Soup the other day, and they didn't have any HCs. A >nice big stack of paperbacks though > I bet Pantheon will make more HCs >*** Guest15686 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest15686, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Has anyone tried to read Leaves online? > i have a question for mark.... would you like to see your >book made into a movie? > Dylan: Yes. Went to a marathon reading of USA once. Like USA, HOL >is also concerned with this country and continent. >*** Guest15686 is now known as Tony >*** Guest61762 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest61762, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > so i havea question about the book: do you think you relate >more to any one character, and if so, which one? >*** Guest61762 is now known as herecomeseverybody > Bob: nope. The book's for readers. I have more faith in their >imagination than in the imagination of film. >*** Guest89951 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest89951, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > I think the book would be destroyed as a movie > Mark, did you design the Houseofleaves.com site yourself? The >pictures and quotes are interesting and I keep going back for more there >as well as here >*** Kim has joined #cafe > Welcome, Kim, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're discussing >his book, House of Leaves! > you know... i knew i would love the book once i read the >phrase 'lung rasping bong hits' ha ha > It is too complex, and it would be too easy for Hollywood to screw up > What strikes me is the size of the book, in all ways. It's so >all-encompassing, like Dos Passos or Thomas wolfe... > With its unusual formatting and the online publication, this >book really piu > Psh: No, I'm not partial to anyone in my strange family. I love >them all. > pushes the envelope of what a book is >* Scianter wants everyones attention! > What's the next step after this? > Sleep > why is "house" blue? > Why did you pick the horror genre? > Hey HCE, very funny. FW should live on the wed somewhere. Don't you >think? > I hear FW is the most difficult Joyce. >* Guest89951 rings the bell > As for the blue house. I'm not giving that one away for free. It's >there though. In the book. You can find it. I have faith. > so i heard that you took 10 years to write this book. how long >do you think we will have to wait to get our grubby little hands on >another piece of your work? > You took 10 years to write the book. How did you support yourself? > ok, so why is your hair blue? > MZD...Have you ever considered writing a screenplay (not for >HOL...just in general)? > Hey, somebody read Nelson's piece on iUniverse!!!!!! > doesnt hair color come from your mothers genes? > blue genes? > HCE: because it never ceases to astound me how pissed off people can >get about 8 dollars of dye. >*** jrcdog has joined #cafe > Welcome, jrcdog, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Hey, mother's are sacred! > even in la? > well, maybe not in LA :) > Mark's blue hair looks good. > Psh: The next work will certainly take awhile. > Hello Natalia. >*** Guest16467 is now known as fan > hello! > Did you have difficulty getting an agent to take on such a >strange project? > Because you've such a low opinion of cinema have you >ever sold a screenplan? > Sounds like Dylan's asking me out on a date. > MZD - since this is your first publishing effore, what are >your honest opinions about the publishing industry? > Just platonic >*** JayEllwood has joined #cafe > Welcome, JayEllwood, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > I want to talk about BOOKS > hey what would you say if someone asked you out on a date? > 'bunch scumbags>? :) > BD: Pretty good. >*** fan is now known as Fan > Hey, take that to a private room > ;) > I mean, have you ever sold a screenplay? > How many houses looked at your book? > HCE: One. Had another optioned. That's pretty much it. >*** Fan has left #cafe > and that's when you decided the movie business sucks >and concentrated on books? > Is there a sequel already planned? Are you going off in other >experimental directions? > Psh: One never knows. > What were your major influences on the book? > Mark, et al, I've got to run, please continue writing, speaking, >visiting and taping video, Dylan I'll check out the contest, and everyone >have a great day... > yeah, you too! > Thanks Erik. Bye > thanks for coming! >*** Tony has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >*** Guest84764 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest84764, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Yes, the contest is for real. It isn't easy, but it is fair. > HCE: Nope. Been writing novels all my life. Screenplays were a >happy turn into the world of structure but ultimately not for me. >*** Erik has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > What is the lit scene like in LA? > is everything you have copyrighted available to the public? > Diud anyone try to make you turn your book into one with a >conventional format? > Dylan: Quiet. >*** Guest70336 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest70336, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** jrcdog has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >* Natalia notices Dylan has a gag on :) > How long are you touring for? > what's with those envelope photographs---they are >really neat > took it off! > Psh: Pretty much. Laughing: Yes. The book was actually bought 2 >1/2 years ago. There were a lot of battles and discoveries along the >way. A little blood but not too much. > a first@! > Mark, is there something you're working on now to top Leaves? >*** Guest53407 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest53407, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** Guest53407 has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >*** Guest84764 has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > I really liked the LA demimonde parts of the book > HCE: A wonderful photographer named Andrew Bush took those pictures. > Dylan: Thanks. > How did you support yourself during HOL? >*** Scianter has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >*** Guest89951 has left #cafe > JAY: Since I finished HOL 6 weeks ago, I'm just trying to get a >little rest. "Then I'll finish the rest." > you mean Andrew Bush from the Julie Saul Gallery > or Andrew Bush the recording studio artist? >*** Guest22012 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest22012, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > HCE: Yup. Julie Saul Gallery. D: Plumbing. Digging the earth with >a shovel. > HOL is very cinematic. Why not tackle a book that reads with >choppier TV rhythms? >*** Guest22012 is now known as Scianter >*** herecomeseverybody has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > JAY: I think you just found your next calling. > Who would star in the sitcom? > JAY: And don't forget the commercials. > My new best friend Poe told me her album covers a lot of the >emotional terrain from HOL. Is much of that from your childhood?? > The Simpsons. > The Short Attention Span Tome . . . Roseanne, of course. >*** Guest70336 is now known as Fan > No Dylan. It's all from out future. >*** Guest92631 has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > I liked Johnny Truant. Did he really beat up Gdansk Man or was it >a dream? > But but but, isn't there something of your present or past in >ANYTHING in HOL? > Fan_Noir > HOL is a future tour de force? NOW I get it!!! >*** Guest55318 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest55318, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Alright, that's unfair of me. Maybe a little of my past. 5 1/2 >minutes of my past. >*** Guest55318 is now known as contortionist > why 5 1/2 minutes? > why that number? > in a hallway, I believe > does it have OTHER significance? > Dylan: Good question (re. Gdansk). He did beat him up. >* Scianter is really very bored. > A Jack Daniel bottle is a good weapon. AScianter, I've got some >pictures to show you... >*** Guest07671 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest07671, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Are you bored now? You want some? > So many tough-reads languish in obscurity. Why do you think HOL >has grabbed so much attention? > Don't do it, no matter HOW bored you Get! > i notticed "rupert l. everett" was cited as a source, does >that have anything to do with rupert everett the actor? >*** Guest07671 is now known as kinkos > Scianter...have I met you before? > Laughing: There are many paths through HOL. Easy ones and more >challenging ones. It's a book that's available to many imaginations. Maybe. > Maybe at an adult literacy program or in the men';s bathroom at >Jones Beach? > Don't know--stop hiding behind a nickname. > It is my name, you ding dong >* Fan smiles at everyone in the room :-) > I saw a picture of you in SPIN magazine and I must say you're quite >handsome. Are you attached? > MZD - what was your rational behind the text formatting? with >navidsons explorations in particular? > Mark is our new poster boy...New Hunks in Publishing... he has an >Ivy pedigree AND he is artistic > FAN: Thank you. No, still single. But I'm nearing a Rip Van Winkle >episode. > ooh youre not that old > Meaning you're going to fall asleep? > BD: Cinematic theory. The grammar of film. > Don't go, yet. > Nat: Something like that. SC: What the hell do you do? >* Fan smiles at everyone in the room :-) >* kinkos slaps Fan around with a large trout! > NOw your interested? After you've hurt my feelings? > Hey, we're going for Vietnamese food, want to come? >* MZD I'm hungry. Can I have my trout back? > Dude ! Is your book still available on the web anywhere ? > What the pho do Vietnamese eat? > pho pasteur is pretty good. On Baxter. But we ain't going there. > Try these two sites: http://www.iuniverse.com/daily/houseofleaves/ > No, Kinko. houseofleaves.com will have tidbits. > and houseofleaves.com\ > sorry, no slash > fat fingers > Kinko: geeks in Seattle are hawking HOL (signed) on ebay! >*** contortionist has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > how has the reaction to he book been by the literary >'establishment', so far? > Hey Scianter, tell the room what your name means. > did they hate the formatting? > just curious... > How is the marketing campaign going? > BD: Yup. Some. But good news is on the way. I can't say more than >that. > Mark got written up in Newsweek and Book mag. Good reviews. > i heard you grew up in mormon country, was that just hell or what? > DYLAN: Right now it's driving itself. >* kinkos rings the bell > There is an interview up on iUniverse with Poe explaining the the >family background to HOL...the emotional backstory? > Psh: Hell was just one of many words my sister and I used to >describe it. > I heard there is a review in this week's New Yorker. Haven't seen >it yet though. > Sisters! > so Scianter means Sisters? >* kinkos looks at Fan and laughs. > :) >* Scianter slaps nobody in particular around with a large trout! > you lived in ny for a while too, right? how do you think that >compares to la? > Scianter is Gaelic? >* Fan slaps everyone in the room. > It means "trout-o-phile." > Tam O'Scianter > SC: This is the last time. I want my trout back. > What was the book like seven years ago? > my guess is, shorter? > Congratulations MKZ ! Kinko signing off. >*** kinkos has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Get thee all to a COED (Concise Oxford English Dictionary) and look >Scianter up. > Cause it ain't in the white pages, kids. >* Fan is a computer geek :-) > Kinkos meant MZD! > Is Scianter really POe? > No, but I'm P.O.'ed. > :D > COED is from the END of the book! Must be a good friend. > I meant Kinkos is a computer geek!! > How do you feel now that the book is finished? > Dylan: Bits and pieces. Essays. Sketches. > Hey Mark, do you write any music? > Dylan: Great. > he wrote a rose is a rose! > NAT: Yeah. Now and then. Music's very important to me. > Psh: :) > What instsruments do you play? > i did a paper on that song btw, and im doing one on hol too... > Was the Danielewski family musical? > PSH: What did you write about ROSE. That's one of my favorite songs. > DYLAN: In some ways . . . > DYLAN: A lot of singing . . . > it was a paper on women, and their role in society > Psh: and . . . > and we had to use a song to illustrate it >*** Scianter is now known as OutnAbout >*** Fan has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Scianter-- how about Troutgirl/boy? > SC: Scianter changed his name because he didn't know what it meant. > so i wrote about how charming women can lead men to do all >sorts of things... > A hermaphrotrout > I love charming women. > PSH: 1) Where do you go to school? and 2) I'd like to read your paper. > mhs.on sunset. ill bring the paper to your signing. hey maybe >you could sign it, and i could show my teacher > You can download the paper here at iUniverse and we'll print it >out for Mark > Happy to. > hehe, i don't think im ready to have a bunch of people reading >my stuff > We'd just give it to Mark > That's right Pshi. Go at your own pace. > Seriously. All trout joking aside. > thanks >*** Guest69250 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest69250, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** Kendall has joined #cafe > Welcome, Kendall, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > Hey, is there anyone who has read the whole book online? > I downloaded one bit and it whet my appetite to get the print >book. > We are wrapping it up in 15 minutes > Any suggestions on how to improve the online reading experience? > L.A. anxiously awaits a reading. Might Poe join you for a >song at that time? > Hey, what are the chances of you and Poe touring together? > OnA: Who knows . . . > Yeah, if anyone has questions, now's the time to ask, the chat >ends in 15 minutes > Dylan: I'll be around. Now and then. > I really want to hear here new album. > Was there any sort of weird formatting your publisher refused >to do? > Yes, when you come back to read in LA you will be like the >conquering hero... > I also really want to hear Exploration #4. Is it going to be >available to the public or only the chosen few? > How would you refashion the "biography" and turn it into a >more interesting book art form? > JROSSA: Thanks. Though I have to say I seriously doubt I'll get >the kind of recption in LA that I got in NY. For some weird reason. > how did it go in ny? > Yeah, the LA scene is small... but vibrant! The people who come >out for readings are serious. > Is LA literary enough for HOL? > You've written music; does Poe write prose? > JAY: Great-great question. Biography is a fascinating >subject. There's a lot of room there to explore. > OnA: Poe writes beautiful poetry. > Thanks, MD. I see you exploring a lot about how a person >thinks, feels, reacts. > I was at the New York book party, stocking the bar. Mark was >kissing everyone. They have a lot of pretty editors at Pantheon. > "The Panthers of Pantheon" > DYLAN: We'll try to get EX4 online somehow. Maybe here. What do >you think? > All those editors used to be coeds > YEAH > Let us investigate it. Maybe we can make it into an event. > In the ten years you've taken to write the book, you must've >left a few broken hearts in your wake. What've been the reactions of your >ex's to your more recent succes? > There are 10 minutes left in the CHAT > I wonder if there are any exes in disguiose here? > Not me. > Do you want to go out with Mark? That's part of the contest...Live >with Mark in a studio for three months!!! > For the most part, the friends I've made in the past have been very >happy and encouraging. Even you. OnA. >*** Guest69250 has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Poor Dylan. We need to find him a couch. > 10 years to write? Will the next one take less time? Are you >in a writing slipstream now? > Slipstream? > A writing groove! > Like eating M&Ms. You can't stop! > An aside here: the format of this chat limits long answers. Quick >response. It's interesting to note how that demands then a certain >tone. End of aside. > A basic question-- who are your favorite writers? > Shakespeare, Milton, Homer, Dickinson, Woolf, Chopin, Borges, >Pynchon, Salinger, Calvino, Einstein, etc. etc. etc >*** Guest88017 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest88017, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! >*** laughing has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >*** Guest88017 is now known as flutch > Also, how long are you touring for? > We only have five minutes.. > It's really weird Dylan has started to try kissing everyone in the >room here. > 5 minutes? ack! i missed it > we're all from Pantheon > quick, flutch, ask a question > I haven't been kissed yet. . . > He'll get to you soon . . . > Ow, somebody maced me...that's no fair. I am bombing with love. > uhhh... > stage fright > Come on flutch, you can do it. > don't be afraid. I am not wearing any clothes and I feel okay. > Don't flutch up. > We don't though. > We're afraid. Very afraid. > never mind dear old Dylan, flutch, it's been a difficult week >here at iuniverse.com > Any last literary questions? > or off-color comments? :) > always welcome... :) > do you have any advice for writers who choose to break with >traditionl novel writing styles.. like yours does? > Good question > You mean HOL is a bloody NOVEL? > Write about what you love. It will hold you through the tough times. > i mean.. if you do something really different.. its got to be >hard to get people to liten.. or read >*** Guest48703 has joined #cafe > Welcome, Guest48703, to Mark Z. Danielewski's chat... we're >discussing his book, House of Leaves! > actually, it's harder to get people to listen if it's NOT different > Did the title to HOL come before you wrote the book, after, >or somewhere along the way? > How can Navidson read HOL when he is in it? > SATW > Was it the main theme you built the prose on, I meant? > By the way, I think the name "Will Navidson" is brilliant. > JAY: Yes. There was a very definite structure. > What does it mean? Will Navidson? > OnA: Thank you. > Dylan, what's the fixation on meaning? Get the to a nonery. > Okay, three more minutes. > Is your book better than Ulysses? Because it has more structure? > I mean > Like, you know? > What is a nonery anyway? > it's where Non-s hang out > you know, Non-Smokers, etc. > like.. 'duh' dylan.. dont ya get it? :) > I don't feel a lot of love in this room...BOB > Dylan's having nun of it. >*** pshairyn has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > JAY: Hell, I'd never say that. Comparisons of that sort don't >interest me (new school, old school; star, no sar etc. etc.) > just kidding.. i dont understand a friggin thing about that book > It actually unfolds really well. The first 200 pages are hard, but >then it swims > If you reviewed your book, what sentence would sum up your >overall reaction? > OKAY, any last questions? >* bob_davis slaps everyone in the room. > Any last requests? > Thanks, BD, we needed that. > I'd like a steak :) > Bob is rough trade? > tough customer > Now Jay, you know pretty well after this little chat that there >would be little chance of me answering that question. > I'd like a straight flush with 3 cards in the hole. > sounds painful :) > Okay, any last questions??? > That's an awful hand going up against my Royal. > Much continued success, MZD, gotta run. Knock 'em dead. > congrats on the book mark... > Mark has to meet his palm reader > take care all > see you! >*** bob_davis has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > thanks for coming! > Many thanks all. > Thanks, Mark! >*** flutch has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > Thanks guys > Shut up, Dylan. > HAHAHA > Don't go, don't leave me like all the others >* Natalia leaves Dylan like all the others > I love you OUT > thanks Mark! see you at Book Soup and Skylight next month. >*** OutnAbout has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > and thanks for the excuse to get away from work.. > yeah! >*** MZD has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) > Thanks for everything >*** Dylan has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) > thank you everybody, that was a lot of fun >*** JayEllwood has quit IRC (QUIT: ) > check out our chat schedule on http://www.iuniverse.com/community >*** Guest48703 has left #cafe > chat amongst yourselves if you like, folks :) > thanks again >*** Kendall has quit IRC (QUIT: ) >*** Disconnected >Session Close: Fri Mar 17 16:12:56 2000 > > > > > but seriously -- introducing Mark Z. himself > > i think the book is absolutely amzing. i haven't gone through >the exhibits and the appendices, but the actual text is amazing > Thank you Pshairyn > how have your signings been going? > it's remarkable on or off the Web > it's a very unique novel, and it's great that you took the time to >write it all down > If you fill out the contest sheet, you can win a book > really? > i'll have to check that out > Pretty amazing. A wonderful variety of people have been showing up. > Yes, there are 10 copies > great > how long do i have to fill it out? > has your sister been there? >